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Supahbadmarine wrote: CyberianGinseng wrote: I really don't see how people can argue that yin or yang couldn't be added to an element to alter its properties and produce an entirely different element.

Look at what yin and yang do. Shikamaru uses yin to turn an ordinary shadow into something that can control your body or gain physical substance and choke you to death or slam you into the ground. The properties of the shadow have been totally altered from a mere absence of light to a tangible substance.

Trying to say that if yin were added to fire, you'd only end up with more fire doesn't make any sense. If yin can do that to a shadow which is not even a thing in and of itself, who in hell knows what it can do to fire or anything else? And how in hell wouldn't you call the resultant entity an entirely different element?

Say I used yin release added with fire release and created a fire that only caused an unbreakable genjutsu that tormented anyone who stepped into it with their worse fears, sins, and nightmares, like the Ghost Rider's Hellfire. This flame essentially only burns your soul for lack of a better description. So it doesn't burn wood or oil or anything else. It only burns people and then only spiritually. Explain to me how that's not an entirely different element than fire? It's far more different from fire than fire is from Enton! It's still just Fire Release. You just used chakra with a higher Yin ratio to alter the effect somewhat. Elemental Jutsu don't have to be straight forward. What about that water based goop that was used to immobilize Kakuzu? Are you going to claim that wasn't Water release because it was a slightly different substance? No. It had different properties, but it was still water release. Likewise you can change a jutsu's effect depending on the way you mix your chakra, and if theat works for normal jutsu why wouldn't it be the same for elemental Jutsu. Adding yin or yang to an elemental jutsu does not create a new release, it simply modifies the effect by changing the ratio of physical and spiritual energy. I don't recall what water based goop you're talking about.

In any case the same argument can be used to say Amaterasu is just fire, even though it has entirely different properties than fire. Clearly that is not the case. The only thing that makes it different than the element I proposed is that Kishi stated it was an element. Before then there were people arguing just as you are arguing that it was not an advanced element for exactly the reasons you're arguing. That fact alone indicates that there is enough room in the canon for my logic to be applied in exactly the way I'm saying.